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== Power Supply Compatibility ==
== Power Options for Pinecil ==
=== [https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil Link to go back to Pinecil Wiki]===
==== Overview ====
# Using a power supply that is at the higher end of the Voltage/Amps requirements will give faster heating and performance.


{| class="wikitable"
'''Pinecil can use:'''
|-style="background-color:LightYellow"
# Any Usb-C power supply that supports PD (Power Delivery) and has at least the minimum Volt/amps listed.  The Usb-C PD65W, 3.25A, 20V is recommended, but a lower PD45W will also work on V1).
| '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBTNplNTfA Check correct polarity]'''  of DC Barrel plug before plugging in a random charger or it could break the Pinecil.
# Any quality "center positive" DC barrel 12-21V battery or power supply using a DC 5525 (5.5mm outer diameter, 2.5mm post) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBTNplNTfA see Video on '''center-positive polarity''']. It is sometimes better to get a used name brand laptop brick Dell/Lenovo/HP etc., over a cheap brick which could have voltage spikes that damage the pinecil or other electronics.
|}
# V2 can handle a DC barrel supply up to 24V without modyfying the PCB (always check polarity, must be a center-positive jack).
# Any typical  tool battery 18V-21V, see tool battery section for details.
# QC3.0: not recommended, it is weaker and does not auto-negotiate like Usb-C PD. Minimum of 3 amps is needed and many QC phone chargers are only able to provide a low 12V 1.5amp, limiting Pinecil to about 17W of thermal capability which is weak and slow. It may not even start to heat, but if it does, it may get repeated "Thermal Runaway" message (this means the weak power causes Pinecil to auto-shutdown).
# QC is more problematic for V2 which comes with the special shorter 6.2 ohm resistance tip. This means the V2 needs more power than the V1. Switching to a longer tip in V2 would reduce the power requirement a little, but then you lose a small amount of heat speed/performance.
# Magnetic tip USB-C cables are not recommended, and not USB compliant


=== Pinecil works with several power options: ===
==== Troubleshooting QC chargers ====
# any USB-C power supply that supports PD (Power Delivery) that is same or more than minimum Volt/amps listed (PD65W-20V recommended, but PD45W will work on V1).
# older QC 2.0 chargers are not supported, check if your charger is at least QC3.0.
# DC barrel 12-21V battery or power supply using a DC 5525 (5.5mm outer diameter, 2.5mm post) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBTNplNTfA '''center-positive polarity'''].
# Some QC power adapters only allow a limited time for QC negotiation, otherwise voltage will fall back to 5V.<br>
# V2 can do DC barrel supply up to 24V without modyfying the PCB (check polarity, must have center-positive jack).
# To address this, starting from firmware v2.16+, there is a PD timeout setting (in 100ms steps) which allows QC negotiation to start earlier. Change this only if you are having issues with your QC charger. (Power Settings > PD timeout)<br>
# QC3.0: not recommended, too weak, need 3 Amp or better charger, and most QC have low amps. Most QC power supplies are only able to provide at most 12V 1.5amp, limiting Pinecil to about 17W of thermal capability which is weak and slow and may get "Thermal Runaway" message (weak power causes auto-shutdown). QC2.0 chargers are not supported.
# This enables some QC adapters to work (i.e., some Baseus QC chargers). Alternately, lowering the number may result in problems with PD negotiation on some PD type adapters that are slower to negotiate. If you switch between QC & PD adaptors, you may have to change this setting.
# For certain QC adapters, lowering the PD timeout value to 15 could help, and most PD adapters will also still work using 15. If a PD charger does not work at 15, then increase the timeout (PD defaut is 20 = 20x 100ms = 2 seconds). Note that some QC chargers simply will not work, are too weak, or cheaply made.


* USB-C PD type power supply / power bank that is 20V+/65W, allows the Pinecil to deliver the full 60W of heat to soldering tip.
=== How to Test if my charger will work? ===
** USB PD type power supplies with at least 20V+/65W+/3amp+ is highly recommended (higher V/W/A will work too as long as it's PD type).
As long as you do the following you should be fine:
** Magnetic tip USB-C cables are not recommended, and not USB compliant
#  Don't plug in something that is higher voltage than the official ratings for V1 (21v limit) or V2 (24V limit).
* Troubleshooting QC chargers: some QC power adapters only allow a limited time for QC negotiation, otherwise voltage will fall back to 5V.<br>
#  if using a DC barrel charger, '''check the Polarity first''', must be center positive ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBTNplNTfA see Video])
** To address this, starting from firmware v2.16+, there is a PD timeout setting (in 100ms steps) which allows QC negotiation to start earlier. Change this only if you are having issues with your QC charger. (Power Settings > PD timeout)<br>
# use a known good quality cable that will not short.
** This enables some QC adapters to work (i.e., some Baseus QC chargers). Alternately, lowering the number may result in problems with PD negotiation on some PD type adapters that are slower to negotiate. If you switch between QC & PD adaptors, you may have to change this setting.
# if the Pinecil heats up very slowly or gets "Thermal Runaway" message, then the charger is too weak, get something else.
** For certain QC adapters, lowering the PD timeout value to 15 could help, and most PD adapters will also still work using 15. If a PD charger does not work at 15, then increase the timeout (PD defaut is 20 = 20x 100ms = 2 seconds). Note that some QC chargers simply will not work, are too weak, or cheaply made.
# Phone chargers are too weak, most are only 12V 1.5 amps which is too low.
# QC 2.0 not supported at all by IronOS firmware (only QC 3.0).
# most PC & laptop ports don't work as they are only 5V. 5V is good enough for simple Firmware update but not to provide the constant higher power an "resistance"  type of soldering Iron needs to run and maintain heat.
# Check the specs on your laptop/PC ports and charger ports, most of the time when it doesn't work, it's because the rating is very low on it and not designed to power an Iron (check specified Watts, Volts, Amps on the port and see if they meet the minimum needed by Pinecil).


=== Small sample of working PD/QC/Barrel power adapters / power banks: ===
=== Links to Chargers/Batteries  ===
This is a very small list compared to all the possible chargers that work, and new chargers come on the market all the time.


This is a very small list compared to all the possible chargers that work, and new chargers come on the market all the time.
PD/QC/DC Barrel Chargers/Batteries/Cables


Sometimes you have to test it, as long as you do the following you should be fine:
==== Usb-C  Cables ====
* don't plug in something that is higher voltage than the official ratings for V1 or V2
* Silicone USB-C cables are recommended if possible, they are more flexible and heat resistance. They do not melt or smoke if touched briefly with an iron compared with most other cords.
* if using a DC barrel charger, check the Polarity first (must be center positive)
* These work with usb 20V chargers and have been tested with Pinecil.
* use a good quality cable.
# [https://pine64.com/product/usb-type-c-to-usb-type-c-silicone-power-charging-cable-1-5-meter-length/  silicone, 1-cable, PINE64]
* if the Pinecil is too slow to heat up or gets Thermal Runaway message, then the psu is too weak, get something else.
# [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096XWD2HG/  silicone, 2-pack cables, Inter9er]
* phone chargers are too weak if 12V 1.9amp or lower. QC 2.0 not supported by IronOS (only QC 3.0).
# [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803495408504.html silicone, Baseus]
* most PC & laptop ports don't work as they are only 5V (good enough for simple Firmware update but not to provide the constant high power an Iron needs to run).
# [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093GFBD2M  silicone, Anker]
* check the specs on your laptop/PC port and charger ports, most of the time when it doesn't work, it's because the rating is very low on it and not designed to power an Iron (check specified Watts, Volts, Amps on the port and see if they meet the minimum needed by Pinecil).


* EPR PD 3.1 Usb-C cables (240W, 48V, 5A), needed for 28V, 140W PD3.1 chargers. Backwards compatible for all lower USB-C devices/chargers.
** There are no silicone 240W cables available yet. The below cables have been tested to work, but are not silicone.


'''USB-C cables, PD60 Silicone:'''
** [https://a.co/25QgL0E certified 240W+Low speed data] Club 3D (slower  usb2 480mb/ps data speed = 0.48G speed)
* Silicone USB-C cables are recommended because they are more flexible and heat resistance. They do not melt or smoke if touched briefly with an iron compared with most other cords. These work great with PD65W-20V chargers.
** [https://www.inter9ers.com/promotions certified 240W/40Gbps], coupon $25 off, highest USB-IF data speed, 40Gbps, USB 4 Gen3
* [https://pine64.com/product/usb-type-c-to-usb-type-c-silicone-power-charging-cable-1-5-meter-length/ 1-cable, PINE64, silicone]
*** (if amazon promo is expired, or from EU/other country, scroll all the way to the bottom of page, and click on paypal to buy directly).
* [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096XWD2HG/  2-pack cables, Inter9er, silicone]
* [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093GFBD2M  1-cable, Anker, silicone]


'''USB-C Power adapter:'''
==== Usb-C Charger ====
[[File:USB_C_PD65_Shared_Power_Chargers.jpeg|300px|thumb|right| Many multi-port Usb-C chargers give 65w-20v-3amps+ Only when using the single top port. For the best performance on these chargers, only use the single top port with Pinecil. ]]


* [https://pine64.com/product-category/pinepower/ 120W PinePower Desktop w/Grounded 3-pin plug] (PD@20V)
* [https://pine64.com/product-category/pinepower/ PD120w PinePower Desktop w/Grounded 3-pin plug] (PD@20V)
* [https://pine64.com/product/pinepower-65w-gan-2c1a-charger-with-international-plugs/ PD65w Pinepower Portable Travel charger] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GK6QY1K Cirtek 65W charger 3-port] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GK6QY1K Cirtek 65W charger 3-port] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Cirtek-Compatible-MacBook-iPhone/dp/B09HKLXB1Z Cirtek 100W 4-port] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Cirtek-Compatible-MacBook-iPhone/dp/B09HKLXB1Z Cirtek 100W 4-port]  $10 off as of Oct. 14, '22 (PD@20V)
* [https://a.co/d/5Ai1McE EfaithFix PD65W, 3-port] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/Charger-HTC-PowerIQ-Foldable-Charging/dp/B09F6HF28L HTC PD65W, 3-port black] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/Charger-HTC-PowerIQ-Foldable-Charging/dp/B09F6HF28L HTC PD65W, 3-port black] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/HTC-Charger-Compact-Foldable-MacBook/dp/B09J83YZ8M HTC PD65W, 3-port, white] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/HTC-Charger-Compact-Foldable-MacBook/dp/B09J83YZ8M HTC PD65W, 3-port, white] (PD@20V)
* [https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLYU3AM/A/140w-usb-c-power-adapter Apple 140W 28V EPR charger with certified EPR Cable] (PD@28V, PD@20V) works for all USB-C devices
* [https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLYU3AM/A/140w-usb-c-power-adapter Apple 140W 28V, need to buy EPR PD3.1 cable separately] (PD@28V, PD@20V) works for all USB-C devices
* [https://www.inter9ers.com/store?store-page=INTER9ERS-i9-All-In-One-Super-Cable-4ft-EPR-240W-40Gbps-USB4-p464220399 USB-C Certified EPR cable 240W/40Gbps] Coupon PINE64ONLY for $24 off backwards compatible works for all usb-C devices
* [https://www.amazon.com/gp/mpc/A1IOHY7DSV21KW?maas=maas_adg_85195
* Notebook AC Adapter HP L30757-002 (PD@20V)
* Notebook AC Adapter HP L30757-002 (PD@20V)
* Notebook AC Adapter Lenovo ADLX65YLC3D (PD@20V)
* Notebook AC Adapter Lenovo ADLX65YLC3D (PD@20V)
* [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08T1P7ZRW Ankosen 65W USB C Charger for Mac Book and Laptop Fast Wall Charger, GaN PD3.0]
* [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087MD5MYH Amazon Basics 65W One-Port GaN USB-C PD 3.0]
* [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087MD5MYH Amazon Basics 65W One-Port GaN USB-C PD 3.0]
* Charger Harbor SAIL01 65W Dual USB-C Power Delivery GaN PPS $12.99 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097CVQ868)
* Charger Harbor SAIL01 65W Dual USB-C Power Delivery GaN PPS $12.99 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097CVQ868)
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* [https://nekteck.com/products/nekteck-60w-usb-c-charger-gan-tech?tab=description Nekteck 60W with PD60 cable]
* [https://nekteck.com/products/nekteck-60w-usb-c-charger-gan-tech?tab=description Nekteck 60W with PD60 cable]


 
==== Battery Power bank ====
'''Battery Power bank:'''
* [https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Portable-Charger-Compatible/dp/B09VPHVT2Z Anker 737 28V-140W EPR (must use EPR-PD 3.1 cable if you want 28V, otherwise it will be lower PD volts)]
* [https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Portable-Charger-Compatible/dp/B09VPHVT2Z Anker 737 28V-140W EPR (must use EPR-PD 3.1 cable if you want 28V, otherwise it will be lower PD volts)]
* [http://beta.blitzwolf.com/-p-15.html Blitzwolf BW-P1 10400mAh QC2]
* [http://beta.blitzwolf.com/-p-15.html Blitzwolf BW-P1 10400mAh QC2]
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'''DC Barrel Power with center-positive polarity:'''
==== DC Barrel Power ====
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* DC5525 barrel plug will work directly but if you have a different plug, there are many adaptors to convert it to 5.5mm, 2.5mm  (don't force a bigger plug into Pinecil, [https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=13237 it will break the barrel port]).
* DC5525 barrel plug will work directly but if you have a different plug, there are many adaptors to convert it to 5.5mm, 2.5mm  (don't force a bigger plug into Pinecil, [https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=13237 it will break the barrel port]).


'''DC5525 Barrel with Tool Batteries 18V-21V:'''
==== Tool Batteries 18V-21V ====
* Easy way, get a 'Power Wheels' adaptor which are made for many brands and get a DC5525 Pigtail wire (can also 3D print an adaptor).
 
[[File:Power_Wheel_Adapters_for_18-21V_Tool_Batteries.png|400px|thumb|right| [https://a.co/bo626Nk Power-Wheels adapter link] with Ryobi battery  ]]
 
* Easy way: just get a Power Wheels adapter. They are made for different tool brands and get a DC5525 Pigtail wire.
* [https://www.amazon.com/Hobbypark-Connector-Soldering-Outdoor-Repairing/dp/B08LKY5DBX DC5525 pigtail (keep the XT60 connector or cut it off)]
* [https://www.amazon.com/Hobbypark-Connector-Soldering-Outdoor-Repairing/dp/B08LKY5DBX DC5525 pigtail (keep the XT60 connector or cut it off)]
* [https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B09GXBJMNF Get a Power Wheels Adaptor like this for Ryobi, then connect a DC5525 Pigtail]
* Some people print their own 3D adaptors for tool batteries.
** Must use a 5.5mm x 2.5 mm  DC barrel Plug. Trying to use an incorrect size, i.e., DC5521 will [https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=13237 BREAK the connector] (if it doesn't go in easily, stop, it doesn't fit).
* If you use a random DC barrel charger, first Check the Polarity of the plug to make sure it is Center Positive before using it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBTNplNTfA (how to check polarity)]. Using reverse polarity DC plug will destroy the pinecil.
* [https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B09GXBJMNF Get a Power Wheels Adapter like this for Ryobi, then connect a DC5525 Pigtail]
* [https://smile.amazon.com/stores/page/F3CF7FFA-3021-4014-AA81-E214F6F7CEDC?ingress=0&visitId=485f97ee-6a92-43e8-aaef-479873fccd6f Other kinds of Power-Wheels Adapters Ridgid, Milwaukee, Makita, etc.]
* [https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Battery-terminals-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GY21VXL Adapter for Ridgid batteries]
* [https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Battery-terminals-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GY21VXL Adapter for Ridgid batteries]
* To prevent battery overdrain, add this Pinecil setting which works for all the 18-21V tool batteries typical for Ridgid/Ryobi, etc.
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| Power source = 5S,  Minimum Voltage = 3.3V
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* Tip: only if you change to a different size battery do you need to alter this. If you only ever switch between a USB-C charger and the tool battery, you could just leave the 5S/3.3V setting. Overdrain means using the battery past the point where you can charge it again. Many tool batteries have internal protection to prevents this, but some brands don't have it (unfortunately, unlike most brands, Dewalt puts it into the tool & not the batttery). Setting it in Pinecil is an extra safety setting in case you are not sure and want to preserve batteries.




'''Limited usability:'''
'''Limited usability:'''
* Nintendo Switch AC Adapter (USB-C wall-wart) (PD@15V)
* Nintendo Switch AC Adapter (USB-C wall-wart) (PD@15V).  Does not work on V2 (needs 3+amps). Works on V1, but slower heat speed because it's low amps and only 15V.
* Notebook Docking Station HP Thunderbolt Dock 230W G2 (PD@20V)
* Notebook Docking Station HP Thunderbolt Dock 230W G2 (PD@20V)
** (had problems with lower firmware versions, but works fine Pinecil firmware: 2.15 and DockingStation firmware: 1.0.69.1)  
** (had problems with lower firmware versions, but works fine Pinecil firmware: 2.15 and DockingStation firmware: 1.0.69.1)  
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* Sabrent HB-B7C3 USB3 hub, 7 data ports, 3 charge ports, 60W supply -- does not negotiate higher voltages.
* Sabrent HB-B7C3 USB3 hub, 7 data ports, 3 charge ports, 60W supply -- does not negotiate higher voltages.


 
==== [https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil Go Back to Pinecil Wiki]====
=== [https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil Link to go back to Pinecil Wiki]===
 
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Latest revision as of 10:56, 6 December 2022

Power Options for Pinecil

Overview

  1. Using a power supply that is at the higher end of the Voltage/Amps requirements will give faster heating and performance.

Pinecil can use:

  1. Any Usb-C power supply that supports PD (Power Delivery) and has at least the minimum Volt/amps listed. The Usb-C PD65W, 3.25A, 20V is recommended, but a lower PD45W will also work on V1).
  2. Any quality "center positive" DC barrel 12-21V battery or power supply using a DC 5525 (5.5mm outer diameter, 2.5mm post) see Video on center-positive polarity. It is sometimes better to get a used name brand laptop brick Dell/Lenovo/HP etc., over a cheap brick which could have voltage spikes that damage the pinecil or other electronics.
  3. V2 can handle a DC barrel supply up to 24V without modyfying the PCB (always check polarity, must be a center-positive jack).
  4. Any typical tool battery 18V-21V, see tool battery section for details.
  5. QC3.0: not recommended, it is weaker and does not auto-negotiate like Usb-C PD. Minimum of 3 amps is needed and many QC phone chargers are only able to provide a low 12V 1.5amp, limiting Pinecil to about 17W of thermal capability which is weak and slow. It may not even start to heat, but if it does, it may get repeated "Thermal Runaway" message (this means the weak power causes Pinecil to auto-shutdown).
  6. QC is more problematic for V2 which comes with the special shorter 6.2 ohm resistance tip. This means the V2 needs more power than the V1. Switching to a longer tip in V2 would reduce the power requirement a little, but then you lose a small amount of heat speed/performance.
  7. Magnetic tip USB-C cables are not recommended, and not USB compliant

Troubleshooting QC chargers

  1. older QC 2.0 chargers are not supported, check if your charger is at least QC3.0.
  2. Some QC power adapters only allow a limited time for QC negotiation, otherwise voltage will fall back to 5V.
  3. To address this, starting from firmware v2.16+, there is a PD timeout setting (in 100ms steps) which allows QC negotiation to start earlier. Change this only if you are having issues with your QC charger. (Power Settings > PD timeout)
  4. This enables some QC adapters to work (i.e., some Baseus QC chargers). Alternately, lowering the number may result in problems with PD negotiation on some PD type adapters that are slower to negotiate. If you switch between QC & PD adaptors, you may have to change this setting.
  5. For certain QC adapters, lowering the PD timeout value to 15 could help, and most PD adapters will also still work using 15. If a PD charger does not work at 15, then increase the timeout (PD defaut is 20 = 20x 100ms = 2 seconds). Note that some QC chargers simply will not work, are too weak, or cheaply made.

How to Test if my charger will work?

As long as you do the following you should be fine:

  1. Don't plug in something that is higher voltage than the official ratings for V1 (21v limit) or V2 (24V limit).
  2. if using a DC barrel charger, check the Polarity first, must be center positive (see Video)
  3. use a known good quality cable that will not short.
  4. if the Pinecil heats up very slowly or gets "Thermal Runaway" message, then the charger is too weak, get something else.
  5. Phone chargers are too weak, most are only 12V 1.5 amps which is too low.
  6. QC 2.0 not supported at all by IronOS firmware (only QC 3.0).
  7. most PC & laptop ports don't work as they are only 5V. 5V is good enough for simple Firmware update but not to provide the constant higher power an "resistance" type of soldering Iron needs to run and maintain heat.
  8. Check the specs on your laptop/PC ports and charger ports, most of the time when it doesn't work, it's because the rating is very low on it and not designed to power an Iron (check specified Watts, Volts, Amps on the port and see if they meet the minimum needed by Pinecil).

Links to Chargers/Batteries

This is a very small list compared to all the possible chargers that work, and new chargers come on the market all the time.

PD/QC/DC Barrel Chargers/Batteries/Cables

Usb-C Cables

  • Silicone USB-C cables are recommended if possible, they are more flexible and heat resistance. They do not melt or smoke if touched briefly with an iron compared with most other cords.
  • These work with usb 20V chargers and have been tested with Pinecil.
  1. silicone, 1-cable, PINE64
  2. silicone, 2-pack cables, Inter9er
  3. silicone, Baseus
  4. silicone, Anker
  • EPR PD 3.1 Usb-C cables (240W, 48V, 5A), needed for 28V, 140W PD3.1 chargers. Backwards compatible for all lower USB-C devices/chargers.
    • There are no silicone 240W cables available yet. The below cables have been tested to work, but are not silicone.
    • certified 240W+Low speed data Club 3D (slower usb2 480mb/ps data speed = 0.48G speed)
    • certified 240W/40Gbps, coupon $25 off, highest USB-IF data speed, 40Gbps, USB 4 Gen3
      • (if amazon promo is expired, or from EU/other country, scroll all the way to the bottom of page, and click on paypal to buy directly).

Usb-C Charger

Many multi-port Usb-C chargers give 65w-20v-3amps+ Only when using the single top port. For the best performance on these chargers, only use the single top port with Pinecil.

Battery Power bank


DC Barrel Power

Check the polarity of the DC Barrel plug before plugging in a random charger or it could break the Pinecil.
  • DC 24V is supported on V2 (most V1 can do a max of 21V unless a modification is performed to cut the trace to the Vbus, and enable 24V safely (see Ralim's IronOS DebugMenu for details)
  • Generally any laptop charger with more than 3amps and 20-24V will work on Pinecil V2 (check polarity is Positive in the center or you will break Pinecil).
  • DC5525 barrel plug will work directly but if you have a different plug, there are many adaptors to convert it to 5.5mm, 2.5mm (don't force a bigger plug into Pinecil, it will break the barrel port).

Tool Batteries 18V-21V

Power-Wheels adapter link with Ryobi battery
Power source = 5S, Minimum Voltage = 3.3V
  • Tip: only if you change to a different size battery do you need to alter this. If you only ever switch between a USB-C charger and the tool battery, you could just leave the 5S/3.3V setting. Overdrain means using the battery past the point where you can charge it again. Many tool batteries have internal protection to prevents this, but some brands don't have it (unfortunately, unlike most brands, Dewalt puts it into the tool & not the batttery). Setting it in Pinecil is an extra safety setting in case you are not sure and want to preserve batteries.


Limited usability:

  • Nintendo Switch AC Adapter (USB-C wall-wart) (PD@15V). Does not work on V2 (needs 3+amps). Works on V1, but slower heat speed because it's low amps and only 15V.
  • Notebook Docking Station HP Thunderbolt Dock 230W G2 (PD@20V)
    • (had problems with lower firmware versions, but works fine Pinecil firmware: 2.15 and DockingStation firmware: 1.0.69.1)
  • Smartphone Charger Samsung EP-TA20EWE (QC2@9V)
  • Smartphone Charger Google Pixel G1000-US (PD@9V)
  • Notebook AC Adapter Delta Electronics ADP-65JH BB (DC@19V) and ADP-90CD DB (1.7x 4.8mm need adaptor, tip is not DC5525)
  • Notebook AC Adapter LITEON PA-1700-02 (DC@18.5V, 65W) (tip is 1.7mmx5.5mm would need adaptor for DC5525)
  • Nillkin 63W USB Car Charger Quick Charge 3.0 PD (Pinecil Firmware: 2.14.2425902)
    • QC3@9V/12V and PD@15V work, PD@20V doesn't
    • PD@20V works fine when using PDC004-20V or ZY12PDN on dc jack (DC@20V, limit: 45W)

Not compatible:

  • Smartphone Charger RAVpower 30W Dual USB Turbo Wall Charger (Should provide QC3@9V/12V, but only provides 5 V on both ports)
  • Sabrent HB-B7C3 USB3 hub, 7 data ports, 3 charge ports, 60W supply -- does not negotiate higher voltages.

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